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  • #9787

    Ariel Anderssen
    Moderator

    Hello everybody! I’m at home recovering from an operation (which was required to fix me after a ludicrous trapeze shoot that left me with a hernia…) this week and have been wanting to post on the forum with a question that’s been going round in my head for some time.

    In the last year I’ve been learning to rig, in order to help Hywel, and because it’s kind of fun 🙂 Being able to rig sort of leads naturally to domming on camera, and that’s something which I find much harder (except, for some reason, with Sammie B, who just seems to deserve it. Sorry Sammie!)

    I’ve tried never to get too worried about being the kind of sub that people enjoy watching on video, because I just AM sub and I don’t think I could do it differently even if I tried. But domming is a whole other matter. It doesn’t feel so personal to me (except that of course I don’t want to give anyone a bad experience) so I’m really in a position where I just want to find out what people are looking for in two girl videos where there’s a Dom/sub element. That way, I hope that when I’m being the dom, I can do a decent job, that you’ll enjoy watching. I know it’s not really about the dom, but I’d still like to try to do it well.

    Lordy! I’ve run out of space! Didn’t know that could happen! Shall continue below….

    #15481

    Ariel Anderssen
    Moderator

    The reason I started thinking about this was because I was looking at the ratings various videos had got here on RE. This is probably a dangerous mistake because I know most people don’t vote; but a couple of videos with absolutely fab (from my point of view) domly performances got pretty low ratings, and while it might not be anything to do with the domming style it made me realise I’m not very in-touch with what most of us like….

    So I’ve been thinking about the various ways of being domly – do let me know if you have feelings about what you like/really hate.

    The easiest way (for me) of finding a dominant persona is to be a bit of a bully (like in the new Harem series). This is kind of comfortable for me because I know I’m abusing my authority, and there’s a chance that I’ll get into trouble for it at some point. I call this character ‘The Temporary Dom’, and it’s quite fun, but possibly not all that sexy.

    Then there’s ‘Sexual Sadist Dom’. I haven’t had a go at being her yet, because it makes me kind of freak out (and feel as though I’m sexually assualting Hywel’s models). I think Chanta’s domming style is what I’m thinking of here – she comes across as being mean because she enjoys it. I like being dommed by people like this, but I’m not sure if people are enjoying watching it?

    (wah, run out of space again…)

    #15482

    Ariel Anderssen
    Moderator

    I imagine most people might like ‘Sensual Facilitator Dom’ best, because it probably fits in most comfortably with the site’s ethos. I think this kind of dom is just there to provide an experience for the sub, and it’s all kind of gentle and floaty and sexy. This is not at all a way I enjoy being dommed, cos it doesn’t feel very dominant to me. But it might be nice to watch? I think we did a fair amount of this in the Roman Epic story last year.

    And finally, I think there’s ‘Situational Dom’ who’s just in charge because of the story. I’m thinking of Kate’s role in ‘Gladys’ Blog’ (I love her!). She’s not actually a dom, she’s just getting to do the tying up for revenge, or because it’s her job, or because someone’s told her to.

    Oh, and there’s ‘Mrs Angry Shouty Dom’ which I think I experimented with when Sophia and I worked together and I tied her up in the shower. I didn’t like being her, it hurt my throat. And I imagine shouting’s probably best avoided – I’ve noticed proper doms don’t shout much.

    Wow, I’m a bit tired of typing now. Do let me know if you have any thoughts about how you feel about domming on RE videos?

    Ariel 🙂

    #15483

    degoodman
    Member

    For various reasons, I don’t post on here very often but I try to keep an eye on what is being discussed when I do visit.

    From my view I think, regardless of the style of dom, it will take time for people to see you as a dom at all. You have spent so much of your time being your natural submissive self and some people won’t want to see you any other way whilst others will happily see you switch but it will take time for them to get used to your new role.

    As someone who has known you for nearly 5 years, I think I would have difficulty in seeing you as a dom.

    I know that isn’t an answer to your question but at least it’s my view.

    But good luck with finding what works for you and is popular with your fans.

    #15484

    renlleoz
    Member

    Hi Ariel,

    Very glad to hear your ok after the operation. Hope it’s not too painful and your recovering well.

    Interesting question! I can’t say I have a particular style of Dom that I prefer to see on screen, as long as you come across as firm, authorative and in control at all times. Shouting doesn’t appeal, as that actually feels out of control, like losing your temper.

    I know this is a personal point of view, and everyone’s opinion will differ, but I never consciously take any interest in the Dom at all, as long as they remain in charge. For me, it’s all about the sub, her reactions, expressions and vulnerability.

    I think because you’re such a good actress and have so many characters to play with great confidence on camera, I have no concerns about you switching roles. I know it doesn’t feel right to you, being incredibly naturally submissive, but I actually enjoy seeing all your characters!

    I think may be the ‘Tempoary Dom’ will work best. If that’s what feel’s most comfortable, then that’ll probably come across better on screen.

    Steve

    #15485

    jezzr22
    Member

    If you can help with the rigging then that’s brilliant, but I’m less sure of you domming on camera. I do think you can pull off ‘The Temporary Dom’ and ‘The Situational Dom’ but not the other types. (And a nice set of definitions by the way 🙂

    So, a sub who is forced to dom as part of a story, or a sub taking revenge but then getting her comeupance, yeah, those work for you. I don’t think you could ever do the kind of domming that Chanta does, you don’t naturally have a dom side like her.

    I’ve greatly enjoyed the videos that have had Chanta domming, especially the ones where she doms you Ariel, and also Donna and Jade. I love her style and it’s a great bit of female/female D/s.

    Sorry to hear you needed an operation like that, glad you’re on the road to recovery.

    Robert.

    #15486

    Pale Justice
    Member

    I agree with Steve in that the sub is the object of my focus. In my case, the further removed the Dom, the better (unless it’s a Dom like Chanta who only speaks when appropriate and really knows how to set the mood). I generally enjoy silence from both Doms and subs as I can hear moans of pleasure and struggling better. To me, my favorite videos are when the Dom is completely out of the picture and it’s just a sub struggling and enjoying her ropes, much like in Ariel’s hammerlock vid. To better answer your question though, I think Doms that can control while maintaining little conversation are sexier than Doms that feel like they need to make unnecessary statements. That doesn’t explicitly fall into any categories, but I think the one that achieves this more than most is the ‘Sensual Facilitator Dom’.

    #15487

    stiffanbond
    Member

    To me you look sexier when you are a sub. You are most beautiful when you are in ropes especially in the Japanese shibari style. So you should stay sub and be contented. Switching roles causes persaonality disorder …. Hee Hee!

    #15488

    Hywel
    Keymaster

    Ouch! Injured on a shoot. I hope you are feeling better Ariel. Get well soon.

    Maybe try taking a few acting classes. You dont have to be meryl streep but it could help you take on a new Domm persona.

    You do so well playing the submissive maybe you need to approach being a domm like an actor taking on a role.

    You have to release your inner Chanta Rose.

    #15489

    HI All,

    I’ve added a poll at the top of this thread.

    I think the most interesting question here is “which sort of on-screen domme do you prefer”: that’s certainly the most important thing for me to know when we try writing storylines for the videos. Ariel does actually have an acting background and I’m sure she’ll do a wonderful job if we cast her in any one of the domme roles, but we might have to script more closely for some styles than others.

    I think some domination styles tend to come more naturally to a person than others. We’ve found over the years that tightly scripting videos has its problems. Writing dialogue is a real skill- it is hard to write believable lines that sound natural when spoken. It is more work to get everyone to learn the lines, too, and it only takes one cast member to be a bit rubbish remembering their lines to slow the whole shoot down to a snail’s pace. So… the usual way we work is to have the plot outline well developed, but improvise each scene and the dialogue more or less as we go along.

    And that’s what I mean about some styles coming naturally: how much direction do you need to dominate in that style? If it comes naturally (as a faintly amused, slightly avuncular style typically does to me) you can be “wound up” and left to set the action and dialogue of the scene with very little input from the director; the submissive can react to you. If it doesn’t come naturally, you would need very close direction and the poor submissive might end up “topping from the bottom” and almost telling you what to do through the scene. (“Oh no, don’t use the cane on me next!”)

    Of course, practice makes perfect. I’m a big reserved and reticent to do the full “sexual sadist dom” on screen for RE videos, but that’s actually a style that appeals to me very much (and which I’m much happier doing off-screen in my personal life). Angry shouty dom might be fun, but I’d have to work myself up to it because normally I’m not a very shouty person.

    It can all be done, but what would really help us the most is to understand what sort of dom you actually prefer to see on screen- and what sort of interaction between the dom and the sub, too.

    Cheers, Hywel.

    P.S. sorry about the irritating “cut off” typing longer posts. It seems to be a bug in Internet Explorer 8 which makes the window jump and blink when the text gets to a certain length. Didn’t happen on IE7 and doesn’t happen on Safari or Firefox, so I guess it is just a little present from Microsoft.

    #15490

    P.P.S. I’d also like to separate out the question of “what sort of domme you like” from the question of “what sort of domme would you like to see ARIEL playing on screen”.

    It is what sort of domme you like AT ALL that is the most interesting for us to know in the first place. Then we can figure out who to cast for it!

    Cheers, Hywel.

    #15491

    Rayy
    Member

    Yikes, get well soon Ariel. Normally, I’d be surprised if someone says they’d got injured on a trapeze… 🙄 Crazy lady..

    I confess I used to think you’d be the perfect Domme, you’ve kinda got the stature for it somehow. But now having met you a few times I now have to laugh at the very idea. Saying that, infact perhaps because of that I’m often impressed by your Domme perfomances, recent Hareem vid for example. I suspect many people don’t realise that there’s a good amount of acting going on there 🙂

    For my penneth the best performances come from people playing characters common to their own character in some way so in this instance I voted for “temporary domme” but generally I’d go “sexual sadist” if there’s a Domme/Dom who is completely comfortable in the role.

    The two I can’t stand are;

    1 – “apologetic Domme/Dom” who is like an “unwilling/unable temporary Domme”
    and
    2 – “shouty Domme/Dom” who is a amateur giving the D/s world a bad name. If you’re not in control of yourself you’re surely not in control of anyone else..

    IE 7 problems… hahah you should all know better than upgrade anything Microsoft until you absolutely have to.. 😆

    M

    P.S. arrr, what does that say about poor Sammie?! Ironically you’re probably the Domme she’s least scared of 😆

    #15492

    Rayy
    Member

    HA!

    I see what you’re doing Ariel…

    ..out of space indeed, I’m not falling for that!

    you just like pressing the button marked… “Submit”

    😆 😆 😆

    #15493

    Ariel Anderssen
    Moderator

    Thanks for your replies everyone. If I’d known it was going to turn into a poll, I’d have made up slightly less loony-sounding definitions….

    Ariel does actually have an acting background and I’m sure she’ll do a wonderful job if we cast her in any one of the domme roles, but we might have to script more closely for some styles than others

    Bless you, Hywel – I don’t suppose I will do a wonderful job, but I’ll do my best 😉

    And Merlin, LOL, I actually did laugh out loud (which hurt my bloody stitches) when I read your reply. It’s taken me two days to try to think of a witty response. And there isn’t one. I DO like hitting the ‘submit’ button 🙂

    #15494

    scotto2589
    Member

    Ariel, you’ll just have to find an on-screen persona that you feel comfortable with, otherwise it won’t work whatever it is.

    One thing I’ve often noticed in bondage videos from some other suppliers is that the outtakes are often a lot more interesting than the scripted parts. The participants lighten up, become themselves, joke and kid around, and often that just seems a lot more appeaing than what they tried to pretend to be.

    This could also be because I tend to prefer light-hearted bondage with lots of playful verbal and physical teasing than the heavy, dark themes that many producers seem to think their customers always want. The sub is completely dependent on the top not only for his/her eventual release from bondage, but also from sexual tension. And the top should make this abundantly clear. 🙂

    #15495

    gotu72
    Member

    Greetings from New Jersey,

    Hi Ariel and everyone else. First, albeit a bit late, let me add my best wishes for getting over your injury and surgery as soon as possible. Very sorry to hear you had the mishap and that it was serious enough to require surgery which is never fun.

    As far as what kind of Dom I prefer I would have to go with first the “Temporary Dom” and then the “Sensual Facilitator Domme.” I don’t have a problem with seeing a Dom on camera (stills or video) but I do prefer to have a cross section of sets/videos that show both the dom and sub as well as just the sub. I also have no issues with seeing either a male or a female dom on camera. I prefer variety (which RE is very good about).

    I have little use for the “Angry Shouty Domme” and I agree with what several others have said in that if you are not in control of yourself then you can not be in control of someone else. This obviously could also cause significant problems if the dom has to somewhat loose control to get into a character and then have to do the rigging for the scenario. In that case the dom may well not be paying proper attention to the safety of the sub.

    How well the “Situational Domme” comes off depends a lot on the strength of the story line. There are cases where I have much enjoyed such a set and also times where it fall completely flat. Of course if the bondage the “Situational Domme” rigs is garbage that will not help the set/video as well. I do not seem to recall the “Glady’s Blog” set with Kate that you mentioned Ariel so I can’t comment on how well it came off. If that is an RE set then who was in it besides Kate and when was it posted?

    I know I am probably in the minority as far as RE members go but I really do not care for the “Sexual Sadist Domme” style of set or video. Cruelty is just not my thing. I prefer the more lighthearted and sexual. I just don’t find slapping, spanking, flogging, etc. a partner to be sexy but I will look at it from time to time. I have enjoyed some of Chant’s dom sets/videos, particularly the behind the scenes ones or the how to tie ones. Ones like the “Stocks in a Box” don’t bother me too much but ones like “the Interview from Hell” with you and Bianca or the “You’re in the Army Now” set with Jade go too far for my tastes. But RE is a community so you take a bit of what you might not like and you get a bit of what you do like. That works.

    I definitely like the “Sensual Facilitator Domme” as done in “Swords and Sandals” or with you and Sophia in “Sophia’s Day Off”. Some of my favorite sets over the years (both at RE and from other sites) have used the general scenario of each lady taking her turn as both dom and sub. Since, by your own description Ariel, you are sub by nature then this form of dom should be easier for you to get into character for with regards to RE work than Chanta’s much more aggressive style. I would think it would come across more believable on camera.

    I also like the “Temporary Domme” style and perhaps just slightly more than the “Sensual Facilitator Domme.” I think the reason for that is that the dom in these situations may well wind up as a sub before the plot is over. Doesn’t always happen, and great when it does, but the possibility is there dangling in front of us. The recent harem video you mentioned is a good example of this. The “Girl Flesh Ranch” video also had the same potential outcome as well. With the harem set either Elle and Sammie might get free and take some revenge or the Sultan might enter and be displeased at the senior slave girl taking matters into her own hands. You never know if it will happen, and hopefully it will from time to time, but it helps expand the fantasy.

    As far as you taking on the role of the dom in future sets and videos I don’t have a problem with it in concept. True we have primarily seen you on the site in the role of a sub but there have been some dom roles that have been done well. This is fantasy after all so it is not hard for me to envision someone being a sub in one set and then being a dom in the next. Besides, that’s called being a “Switch” and I certainly don’t have an issue with that. But the roles you take on have to have a certain believability to them to make it work. If you are uncertain about what you are doing in a “Sexual Sadist Domme” role then that will come across on camera, particularly on video and could easily wreck the scenario you are trying for. Of course that doesn’t apply to something like the “Girl Flesh Ranch” which I would call pure “Farce” and which kind of throws believability overboard so most any dom style works.

    Will look forward to seeing how you progress with the dom role and, of course, will still seriously enjoy you in the restraints as well. Get well soon.

    Cheers,

    Jeff

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