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Hi All,
Question: do you like spanking, corporal punishment, whipping and so forth?
I’m thinking specifically of our videos here, but also in more general terms.
I’ve got some webmaster and model friends and acquaintances who run spanking sites, and it has always struck me how peculiarly separate bondage and spanking seem to be. For myself, I’m at least as much into spanking and CP as I am into bondage, often in the same story or fantasy or scene.
I can enjoy a “pure” spanking scene but I find the dynamic a bit limiting if the girl has to be sort-of-willingly standing there for the spanking. There’s only so many situations where that makes sense (and I am sooooo sick of schoolgirl spanking sites!)
There seem to be rather more scenarios where pure bondage makes sense. There just seem to be more reasons to tie someone up. They can be willing or totally unwilling so it fits a broader range of stories. Personally I don’t need there to be bondage in the scene to enjoy it, a really good spanking scene can be hot without any ropes or chains at all.
So I find “pure” bondage less limiting than pure spanking, but pure bondage is still very limiting for video. Once you’ve got the girl tied up, what are you going to do with her? You can fill five minutes with struggling at a push, but try filling a 24 hour storyline with nothing but struggling and you may get pretty bored. I certainly did, hence the S&M and spanking and dom/sub elements that enter into our longer videos.
One of the obvious possibilities is to fuck her, but that’s a route we don’t explore on-screen with the exception of a very occasional dildo or forced orgasm scene. There are lots of reasons but the main one is just that I’m just not very good at portraying explicit stuff. I like it when done well, but I’m not very good at scripting or shooting it.
Another obvious thing to do with a tied up and truculent maiden, in fine dramatic tradition, is to break her spirit with the whip (i.e. spank her in some manner). That’s one we’ve explored here quite regularly even though RE is nominally a bondage site.
The funny thing is that for the people who are into spanking, combining bondage and spanking seems to be a big no-no. I’d have thought a bit of bondage fitted in very well with a lot of CP and discipline settings and scenarios, but most spanking sites don’t have any bondage at all. I believe some spanking producers think there will be legal problems showing bondage and spanking together, but I can’t find any reason why that would be more so for the combination than for either bondage OR spanking (and Kink.com regularly combine bondage, spanking, sex and some heavier S&M without problems).
All this rambling is a long way of asking- what do you think about spanking scenes? Like ’em? Loathe ’em?
Does the spanking have to be combined with bondage for you to like it?I’ve just edited a Job Interview video which I realise is almost pure spanking (at least in the first couple of parts- there’s a collar and leash but they aren’t attached to anything at this point in the story). I always wonder if people will feel short-changed if I put up a video without much bondage in it, even if there is lots of other hot stuff going on.
Cheers, Hywel.
P.S. usual note to the “please don’t turn Restrained Elegance into a XYZ site (where XYZ is something I don’t like)” crowd. Restrained Elegance is not going to turn into a spanking site, but as at least two of the people involved in video production like spanking 😕 😯 , I was wondering what the reaction might be to the occasional spanking video, perhaps before the bondage starts in part two.
Question: do you like spanking, corporal punishment, whipping and so forth?
In a word: No.
Sorry…
(I make an exception for tickling, but even there I prefer a lack of emphasis on the “torment/punishment” aspect of it.)
@lurker wrote:
In a word: No.
Sorry…
(I make an exception for tickling, but even there I prefer a lack of emphasis on the “torment/punishment” aspect of it.)
That’s not really a surprise, I had you pagged as a “love bondager” so it makes sense that it doesn’t appeal to you.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
Hywel.
Well, I like it 🙂 Surprise! Am in California, being a naughty, naughty girl 😉
(hmm, not really, am just working)
Miss you Hywel, please can we keep doing spanking in videos if everyone says it’s ok?
Missing the forum too, will try to post again later…
Ariel x
LOL oh I can promise you you will till get spanked, Ariel… it mostly just depends whether I tie you up first every time or not! 😈
Hywel.
quote]do you like spanking, corporal punishment, whipping and so forth?
[/quote]In one word, yes.
In two words, definitely yes.In more words, Hywel explains clearly the limits of pure bondage (“now, let’s wait for the end of the world”) and of spanking without restraints (which is often hardly believable). The combination of both bondage and any kind of punishment adds much dramatic intensity and opens a wide range of combinations. (It has it’s shortcomings too, if the model waits stubbornly for the end and cash… any kind of spectacle demands talent and involvement).
Bondage plus pain can be pure comedy (e.g. Arielsloane) or deep darkness (e.g. Long Term Bondage), involve either enthousiastic willingness (e.g. Driving Test) or utter unwillingness, but it doesn’t need extreme pain or abuse to be intensely dramatic.
That’s my general point.
Second, Ariel Anderssen multifarious and flexible talent as a bondage model and as a spanking model. Most models are either one or the other, very few can achieve the combination of both. It’d a pity if this talent was always splitted into two parts, as in most sites she works for. Who else can show better the inner struggle between fear and pride on one side and submission and hope for the “afterglow” on the other side?And the combination Hywel+Ariel in something rare, too. E.g. 100 strokes.
If we’d had no foretaste of it, perhaps I’d never thought so, but since I’ve seen it three or four times, I want more…
I’m sure the best is yet to come.
Cheers,
TancredeQuote:Yes, I like spanking and bondage. There’s not much I don’t like within the realm of BDSM, as long as it’s safe, sane and consensual (SSC).
My prime interest is in pleasure. I don’t really enjoy seeing bondage or CP if the model isn’t (or appears not to be) enjoying it, at least to some degree. Someone getting an endorphine rush from a spanking is a lovely thing to see. Likewise seeing someone struggling in bondage because they enjoy being bound is fantastic.
Now to further qualify my last paragraph, of course a model won’t always look like she’s enjoying it but that doesn’t mean she isn’t (to some degree, there’s _enjoying_ it and there’s *enjoying* it). Chanta domming Ariel comes to mind. To someone who didn’t know anything about them, the video might look a bit extreme, to me, I know what they’re in to, I know it’s SSC compliant and that Ariel’s “enjoying” what’s happening to her.
Knowing some background helps. I guess it’s where one could fall foul of the newest violent porn laws here in the UK. Without knowing the background, without knowing that the girl in the video who appears to be suffering really isn’t (or is, but in a good (and SSC) way!), could that video be termed to fall foul of the law?
In a few words yes, yes, yes. It’s all part of the enjoyment for me and lots of others if they would but admit it, I love to see spanking combined with bondage so go ahead Hywel I think you will make an excellent job of it in the Restrained Tradition
Hi Hywel;
I think I joined this site as someone with an interest in the bondage, the models you use and predominantly the combination of the models you use and the bondage! and for the most part I think I remain pretty much in that cohort of RE members.
Back in the day there was really very little spanking on the site and given the above statement, about my interest being predominantly in the bondge, this was just fine for me. More recently, particularly with Ariels increased involvement in the site (and the webmaster!), there has been more spanking (and cp in general) and I have rather surprised myself that I have been unperturbed by this and am enjoying these videos as much as the rest of the content you put up.
In answer to your question therefore, for RE in general a definite thumbs up for spanking (with the usual caveats of it being shot/conducted/portrayed in a manner in keeping with the overall RE philosophies). For me personally the thumb is teetering probably 60% of the way up (I wouldn’t leave the site is there were no more spanking but I am quite enjoying the videos where there is some spanking!)
CD
Ps; Come to think of it it would be a bit of a shame to have Ariel, who clearly enjoys(?) spanking, as a major part of the site and not show that side of her character.
PPs; Am entirely in favor of Lurkers exception for tickling. I have no concerns about more tickling on the site – in fact you could probably sign me up for a lifetime membership if there were more of it!
I will weigh in here if I may…I really love it Hywel. I think the chemistry you have with Ariel and the scenes the two of you shoot are simply great. Ariel is a multi talented model & you a most talented photographer. Together you turn out some of the best interactive consentual scenes I have ever been exposed to.
Keep up the great work…do what you both really enjoy. I think you both following your passions will more than satisfy the audience at RE. Bind her & spank her and all will be well!!!
Its all really so well done!
Thumbs up.
Hi all,
Interesting stuff.. I guess I’d have to be in the thumbs up camp although with the caveats that CD and Fogane mention. Saying that, pure spanking / CP for the sake of it does nothing for me even if the enjoyment of the “bottom” (lol) is apparent, similarly I always view the masses of spanked school/college girl sets with unease – guess its just a *bit* too close to the paedo world for me.
Think I may have a slightly slanted view to the majority of members in that I tend to view bondage as a tool of D/s instead of an entirely stand alone activity and so CP is then a further tool, perhaps of bondage. Anyway I digress, happy to see spanking & CP feature on RE as long as its tastefully done, SSC and in context of a bigger picture or storyline. Don’t think I would have been so happy a while ago but the dynamic of Hywel & Ariel coupled with Ariels well known enthusiasm somehow makes it enjoyable viewing. 😕
Cheers
Merlin
I happen to think that spanking, and other forms of corporal “PLAY” have a valid place in the BDSM world. The ability to take pain, is usually rewarded by the deliverence of an enormous orgasm. Many of those who submit to being bound and tormented, do it for this exact reason. The orgasmic release is so intense.
@merlin wrote:
Interesting stuff.. I guess I’d have to be in the thumbs up camp although with the caveats that CD and Fogane mention. Saying that, pure spanking / CP for the sake of it does nothing for me even if the enjoyment of the “bottom” (lol) is apparent
That was really my concern. I’ve got a couple of “pure” spanking videos where there is little or no bondage, where the bondage is really incidental and plays second fiddle to the spanking/CP. I wondered whether people would feel short-changed by them. I am encouraged enough to put them up. After all there will be another video along soon enough, and I’ll try to interleave them with bondage-heavy ones.
@merlin wrote:
similarly I always view the masses of spanked school/college girl sets with unease – guess its just a *bit* too close to the paedo world for me.
I absolutely agree. It’s really not my kink. I didn’t particularly fancy schoolgirls when I was at school- I was lusting after impossibly-gorgeous models in elegant locations. A great deal of the appeal was “conquering the unapproachable”. This is rather the reverse of the usual schoolgirl setting which always has overtones for me of “old lech of a teacher abuses his power”. Even though the sites are usually very careful to put these in a fairly non-sexual context to avoid paedophilia associations, I can’t help but view them with unease for the same reason.
@merlin wrote:
Think I may have a slightly slanted view to the majority of members in that I tend to view bondage as a tool of D/s instead of an entirely stand alone activity and so CP is then a further tool, perhaps of bondage.
I’ve been coming to the conclusion that a Dominant/submissive dynamic is at the heart of my kink, as well. But ideally I like it to be something that develops rather than being absolute right from the very beginning. (Don’t tell Ariel, but a perfectly-behaved and totally submissive slavegirl would actually be extremely boring for me!)
This is another reason that I don’t like a lot of the pure spanking storylines. I like there to be a power exchange dynamic going on, where I get all the power and the submissive gives a most of it up. (MORE POWER, IGOR! WE NEED MORE POWER!!!!! SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE!!! Mwa-ha-ha!) Sorry, where was I?
Oh yes. So I think my main issue with schoolgirl spanking is really that scenarios where the bottom has no power to begin with are less fun for me than scenarios where she starts off with some power and is forced to give it up for whatever reason (blackmail, wrongdoing, guilt, being kidnapped and overpowered… ).
So I like whippings/CP/S&M/spanking “to break her spirit”, while she’s already tied up so she can’t escape, and so she is forced to give in and surrender power in a D/s power exchange at the end of it the very best.
Cheers, Hywel.
“Into each life some pain must fall.”
It looks like I’m in the minority on this one. There is a long list of likes and dislikes where I agree with Hywel, wrt what makes a good bondage photoset, which is why I’ve been such a steady long-term member of RE. And if this isn’t on that list, well, I can’t expect to have everything.
(I ought to make a list of the points where I agree with Hywel.)
@lurker wrote:
(I ought to make a list of the points where I agree with Hywel.)
That would be a very interesting exercise… wonder how other people’s lists would tie in, too…
Cheers, Hywel.
Big thumbs up from me.
I would love to see more role play shoots involving bondage and spanking.
How about a woman stripped and whipped behind a cart.
The spanking aspect is not usually done in good taste so therefore I am not interested. Too much whipping or punishment is also not in keeping with the theme of the site. I do think the evening gowns, cocktail dresses, medieval and Victorian ladies wear are super.
Perhaps a spanking scene where the spankee kneels over an ottoman or hasock to recieve her strokes but I think a short leather or wooden paddler would be better.I would like to see mamselle done up in a nice rope web complete with crotch rope and wear it on the streets beneath her dress.
TTFN
I never saw the fun in spanking before, but when i saw the 100 strokes video, i thought hm thats nicer then i thouhgt.
So thumbs up for me so long as she is tied up very secury and tight. A forced orgasm now and then wouldnt hurt either.
Would be nice if its not always the same girl, i would like to see Cate get a good spanking 😈@lurker wrote:
“Into each life some pain must fall.”
It looks like I’m in the minority on this one. There is a long list of likes and dislikes where I agree with Hywel, wrt what makes a good bondage photoset, which is why I’ve been such a steady long-term member of RE. And if this isn’t on that list, well, I can’t expect to have everything.
(I ought to make a list of the points where I agree with Hywel.)
Great attitude there lurker. At the end of the day, with so many sets and videos being put out by Hywel and the rest of the RE cast, there’s BOUND to be some stuff that each and every one of us isn’t that keen on. But even when that happens, it’s only 24hrs til another update, which will probably be more to our individual taste.
As for the original question… a big thumbs up from me ❗ Definitely no problem with some spanking-centric (or even spanking only) videos
I give that activity a definet thumbs UP.
I know that if a model has no spanking as a hard limit, you wouldn’t do it. Therefore, when spanking comes into play, it is obvious to me that the sub actually likes it. Ariel Anderson comes to mind, along with several others, Ariel X for example.Hi All and Greetings from the Eastern USA,
Sorry to be rather late in getting this posted but I have had a very hectic schedule over the last two weeks or so. Hywel, I’ve read through your original posting and the responses a couple of times now. Looks like I am also in the minority of those who have responded but I have no interest what so ever in seeing more spanking or similar related activity (cropping, paddling, flogging, hot wax, clamps everywhere, breasts bound into deformed shapes, etc.). It is just not a part of my makeup.
For me the enjoyment of bondage is primarily about the bondage and it divides into three main scenarios. One is simply bondage for the sake of the bondage. The challenge of the bondager to restrain the bondagee, ideally in an aesthetically pleasing way, and the challenge of the bondagee to then find a way out of their restraint. In this type of scenario I find it very enjoyable to watch the way of lady’s body moves in an attempt to find the weak point in the bondage, which may or may not be there. Obviously I prefer seeing the expression of resignation (facial as well as body language) to the fact that the lady can not find an escape to her bondage but I can also enjoy how she looks if she triumphs and escapes. When I’m playing with someone I’m often lying right there on the floor with her watching her or sitting on the floor at her level while she is on the sofa or bed. The movements and expressions fascinate me.
Another of the three scenarios is what is found on many commercial bondage websites and that is photo sets or videos that follow some sort of plot line. It might be a very simple one or it might be a very detailed one. There might be an actual conclusion or the conclusion might be left to the mind of the viewer.
The third scenario is bondage as a form of foreplay for sexual activity. Caressing, kissing, tracing the lady’s face, body and bondage, tickling and so forth that gives pleasure to both the “top” and the lady in restraint. For whatever reason I do enjoy seeing forced orgasms with a vibrator. But I don’t really need to see any actual intercourse. Your basic plain “vanilla” porn does very very little for me.
I would certainly classify myself as a “Love Bondager” and I view a lady that is willing to engage in bondage play with me as a very precious individual and one that I certainly have no interest in “hurting” in any way. Now I’m not saying that spanking is “hurting” someone if the lady is a willing participant in that activity. However, when I see the facial grimaces and similar body language responses or hear the oral responses to spankings and other such activities, even when I know the lady wants to be there and enjoys the activity, I just have a personal disconnect that causes me loose any enjoyment of viewing the scenario or to even continue to view it. Now I am also a switch and I enjoy being tied up, teased and so forth by a lady almost as much as I enjoy tying up a lady and “playing” with her. My body does not tend to produce a lot of endorphins so for me pain is just pain and I don’t get the endorphin “rush” that many say they do when they add spanking and similar activities to their bondage “games”. Obviously I understand that my lack of enjoyment when on the receiving end of such activities will effect how I feel about viewing others engaging in them as well. This is just how I look and feel about these things and certainly everyone’s makeup is different and I fully understand and support that.
I can’t say how the majority of your subscribers feel about this point Hywel. Most of the responses to date have been in favor of more spankings on the site. Often it is the people with the stronger feelings that respond in such situations and the people with no real strong feelings don’t respond. Please note that I am not saying that those who are in favor of more spanking shots and such are wrong, just that they feel strong enough about it one way or the other to respond. It would be nice to hear from more of the ladies who engage in bondage in their private lives to see what they think about this idea. I certainly would not drop my subscription if there was an increase in spankings and such on the site. Hard to say if I would view the sets or videos or not. Obviously, certainly, it is your website and you have to plot your own course. You have enough on your plate with the current format of RE that I doubt it would be a viable alternative to create a SE site (Spanking Elegance) along with RE and that would probably annoy many current members if they had to join a second site even if a deep discount was offered for dual membership. For those of us like myself that do not have an interest in viewing such activities I would ask that you try to find a way, without adding a lot to your workload or spoiling the plot lines for those who enjoy spankings and such, to differentiate what sets and videos contain “harder” activities and which do not. I know that’s a hassle but I’ll throw it out anyway.Best to all and cheers,
Jeff
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